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BETRAYAL AN OMINOUS SIGN OF THE TIMES, w2012 4/15
by 00DAD inbetrayal an ominous sign of the times, w2012 4/15, p. 8: .
what do delilah, absalom, and judas iscariot have in common?
they were all disloyaldelilah to the man who loved her, judge samson; absalom to his father, king david; judas to his master, christ jesus.
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THE WITCHTOWER 12/2010: The modern Jeroboam class, the food pyramid etc.
by processor ina bit late, the new - and last monthly - issue of the witchtower is available for download now.. .
the modern jeroboam class in action: who is the greater jeroboam, and how did he make bethel a center of false worship?.
perfect health how to achieve?
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The great crowd! Gathered from where? By Whom?
by wannabe inat last count, there are some eight billion people living on our earth at this present moment in time.
which brings me to the point i. wish to make about a great unnumbered crowd surviving the great tribulation, after armageddon is fought.. .
but it would take another 4000 years to do that.
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The great crowd! Gathered by Whom? From Where? 2nd part
by wannabe in{revelation 12:7-17 nwt}.
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Inside The Jonestown Massacre
by Bangalore ininside the jonestown massacre.. http://www.cnn.com/2008/us/11/12/jonestown.factsheet/index.html.
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A letter to Ray Franz? Can you help?
by dissed inmy wife and me would like to send a letter to ray and cynthia franz.. we knew them at bethel and now that we are out of the org.
would like to send them a note.. does anyone know and care to share an address or email?
an address would be better because we would like to enclose a gift.. pm me.. thanks,.
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Titus
by PSacramento intitus is part of what is reffered to as the "pastoral epistles" (1and 2 timothy and titus) and was written probably in the second century ( 100-150 ad) and, in the opinion of most scholars, not by paul but in "paul's name.. like the letters to timothy, titus may have been an original letter dictated by paul that had been "altered" to asnwer the questions and different doctrine views that wer ebeing voiced as paul's, at the time.. many scholars look at the differences in vocabulary, literary style, the situation of the apostle, and the theological charateristisc that seem to be moving towards the emerging "catholicisim", to base their view that paul did not write ( at least not completely) the pastoral epistles in they way they have been handed down.. that said, back to titus that has some interesting points that i would like to discuss:.
the writer says that god is our saviour, 1:3, and jesus is our saviour, 1:4 and goes one to repeat this in 3:4 ( god is saviour) and 3:6 ( jesus is saviour), the writer also adds the (controversial?
) passage of 2:13 - waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great god and saviour jesus christ (esv).. the writer seems to be holding fast to that god and jesus are/is our saviour, something that paul himself says in the contecxt of jesus is our saviour, for our salvation is through him, to god, but in a repetive mode, the writer seems to be either, contridicting himself or saying that both are or, in the early trinity sense perhaps, god and jesus are (singular) our saviour, they are one.. verse 2:13 can be interprested in two was, typically, that jesus is god and saviour or that the writer is reffereing to god and jesus.. the first view is typically trinitarian, the second is not (obviously) but the second interpretation has verse 14 to deal with:.
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Jesus as "Eternal" Father?
by jonathan dough inthe jws claim that jesus is the eternal father at isaiah 9:6. but if that's true, why do they dump him after the 1,000 years?
i thought jesus intercedes forever?.
not only do the jehovahs witnesses teach that jesus christ is a mere angel (reasoning, 218) but they discard him and his services as an intermediary and helper with respect to his role as propitiation, his sacrificial death.. since sin and death are to be completely removed from earths inhabitants, this also brings to an end the need for jesus serving as a helper with the father in the sense of providing propitiation for the sins of imperfect humans.
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144 000 - some wierd figures. Will partakers top 10 000 in 2009??
by hamsterbait ini counted up the deaths/ new partakers over the 71years 1936 to 2007.. i assumed 70 as the average lifespan, which means we can reasonably expect a decline of 1.43% each year.. those dead: 14 707 new partakers: 52 312.. average deaths each year: 207. average new partakers each year: 737.. this gives a combined total of memorial partakers between 1936 - 2007 of 66 839. according to the witchtower of 1988 15/12 there were 27 006 partakers in 1936. smell anything yet?.
1: where those dying (3 figures) exceeded new partakers (2 or single figure) 16 years out of 71.. 2: at no point did the number of deaths in a year exceed 561.. 3: lowest number of deaths 122 in 2003. lowest number of new partakers 3 in 1988.. 4: highest deaths 561 in 1938. highest number of new partakers 10 677 in 1937.
5: nine years where the new partakers are in four figures.. 6: of the 43 years where both deaths and new partakers are three figures new partakers are higher in 21 years.